Major clock drift while computer is awake

The system clock is drifting quickly in my new Windows 8 Pro installation on a computer that ran Windows 2008 Server (Windows 7) just fine.

This is a DELL Precision M4300.

EDIT

Originally I thought this was just in Windows 8. I've since put back the Windows 2008 Server hard-drive that I'd swapped out yet the problem continues. I cannot accept that this was happening before and that I just didn't notice. Over the course of a day, the clock can drift by many hours. It always seems to be slow.

I have the Internet Time sync enabled and I know how to make it happen manually.

What could be causing this, which must be a new problem? Many google search results suggest a bad CMOS battery. But I also read that Windows doesn't consult the hardware clock unless it is waking up or booting, so if the computer stays on the whole time during the drifting, I don't see how the battery could be the issue. Also, since it was not a (persistent) issue with Windows 7 I think it must be related either to the different hard drive or the different OS

(And no, it's not a virus)

UPDATE

I swapped back my Windows 7 drive for a few months. For the first few weeks of being back with the old drive, this new clock drift problem actually persisted! I wondered whether I had been wrong and that the drift problem had also been around in Windows 7 but I hadn't noticed. I couldn't find a solution but after a while it went away and I had a stable system clock - awake, through a sleep, reboot, not even connected to the internet for a resync it was fine.

So just today I put the Windows 8 drive back in, thinking that whatever driver or whatever was having the problem had been fixed in a patch. Well, already I'm seeing major drift again!

Is there any way that the drive itself (changing from an OCZ Agility 3 to a OCZ Vertex 4) could cause this kind of problem? I can't see how, but maybe if the drive has funny timing on the bus or something, maybe that could cause it?

UPDATE

I wrote to OCZ and heard back from them:

Unfortunately we have never had any cases regarding this issue with our drives. It sounds to be more of a software issue with your Windows install or a hardware issue with the system's main board. We recommend contacting Microsoft and Dell for assistance.

This is a very frustrating problem. I have to resync the clock with a time server several times in a work day.

It's not a constant drift, I don't think. Sometimes several hours can pass with no drift (rare) but within one hour it can go off by 45 minutes easily.

I'm not sure if it ever goes backward in time - that is, go to a time earlier than I synced it last. Probably not, I think that would cause major problems with file management and so on that I'm not seeing.

UPDATE

Here is a set of Event Log entries. When I woke up today, I noticed the clock was stuck at about 7pm last night. See how the log, which is in event order, bounces around on the time. I can't believe this system can even stay stable (otherwise) with time that jumps backwards - Surely there must be code somewhere that needs to assume a futurely direction for time! Those are the only entries from around that time.

I don't know if these errors are a cause, and effect, or just a coincidence.

Information 2/6/2013 6:58:31 PM Windows Error Reporting 1001    None
Information 2/6/2013 6:59:57 PM Windows Error Reporting 1001    None
Information 2/6/2013 7:01:15 PM Windows Error Reporting 1001    None
Information 2/6/2013 6:58:52 PM Windows Error Reporting 1001    None
Information 2/6/2013 7:00:17 PM Windows Error Reporting 1001    None
Information 2/6/2013 7:01:40 PM Windows Error Reporting 1001    None
Information 2/6/2013 6:59:22 PM Windows Error Reporting 1001    None


Log Name:      Application
Source:        Windows Error Reporting
Date:          2/6/2013 6:58:31 PM
Event ID:      1001
Task Category: None
Level:         Information
Keywords:      Classic
User:          N/A
Computer:      
Description:
Fault bucket -1469235789, type 5
Event Name: WPNConnectionFailure
Response: Not available
Cab Id: 0

Problem signature:
P1: Data Reconnect
P2: 880403f5
P3: WNP
P4: IPv6v4
P5: None
P6: LAN
P7: 2
P8: 244
P9: 
P10: 

Attached files: C:\Users\Jason\AppData\Local\Temp\wpn_3775682326159551384.evtx

These files may be available here:

Analysis symbol: 
Rechecking for solution: 0
Report Id: 1a552c3b-70b9-11e2-bed8-001e37f5f3d7
Report Status: 16
Hashed bucket: bf2d0f7d5d2d29e2ff5285f8ba408a8d
Event Xml:
<Event xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/win/2004/08/events/event">
  <System>
    <Provider Name="Windows Error Reporting" />
    <EventID Qualifiers="0">1001</EventID>
    <Level>4</Level>
    <Task>0</Task>
    <Keywords>0x80000000000000</Keywords>
    <TimeCreated SystemTime="2013-02-06T23:58:31.000000000Z" />
    <EventRecordID>7762</EventRecordID>
    <Channel>Application</Channel>
    <Computer></Computer>
    <Security />
  </System>
  <EventData>
    <Data>-1469235789</Data>
    <Data>5</Data>
    <Data>WPNConnectionFailure</Data>
    <Data>Not available</Data>
    <Data>0</Data>
    <Data>Data Reconnect</Data>
    <Data>880403f5</Data>
    <Data>WNP</Data>
    <Data>IPv6v4</Data>
    <Data>None</Data>
    <Data>LAN</Data>
    <Data>2</Data>
    <Data>244</Data>
    <Data>
    </Data>
    <Data>
    </Data>
    <Data>
C:\Users\Jason\AppData\Local\Temp\wpn_3775682326159551384.evtx</Data>
    <Data>
    </Data>
    <Data>
    </Data>
    <Data>0</Data>
    <Data>1a552c3b-70b9-11e2-bed8-001e37f5f3d7</Data>
    <Data>16</Data>
    <Data>bf2d0f7d5d2d29e2ff5285f8ba408a8d</Data>
  </EventData>
</Event>

UPDATE

It's definitely jumping backward in time by an hour or so - back prior to the last reset of the clock.

UPDATE

Here's a post describing what seems like the exact same problem:

http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Notebook-Operating-Systems-e-g-Windows-8-and-Software/Insanely-weird-clock-drift-issue-in-Windows-8-on-ENVY-14t/td-p/1989849

UPDATE

The old laptop motherboard failed, perhaps unrelated to this clock thing. I swapped out the identical M4300 motherboard. I didn't notice right away, but the backwards-drifting clock is now happening quite dramatically with the new motherboard as well. I never noticed this happening on the old laptop though it had the same software and drivers (as far as I casually knew), but it was used much less frequently.

I took a road trip and had intermittent connectivity. I have mitigated the issue somewhat with a new Windows Scheduled Task to sync the clock every 5 minutes and on Wake - doesn't work if the clock jumps backwards far. Without connectivity, the problem is in full effect. The clock drifted backward in time of MORE THAN A WEEK within a day or two of last sync.

This is extremely frustrating and threatens my file-syncing and git repository integrity. I'm getting a few up-votes - is this because you have the problem too? Or is it just entertaining? :-P

Solution 1:

same here!

As soon as the problem appeared a week ago I changed the cmos battery, but it persisted. I ran multiple virus scans with different sofwares but found nothing. sfc /scannow said the system files were ok.. and yet the clock kept freezing or jumping backwards.

then I realized the clock in the bios was freezed. I thought of an hardware problem but before calling Asrock I searched the internet and found this: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/18995923/windows-8-8-1-system-clock-changing-randomly-while-powered-on-and-in-use

I tried an hard cmos reset (removing the battery) and the bios clock restarted!! But it stopped again when I loaded the bios settings I previously saved. So I had to reset again an manually change all settings back to how they were, and now it works.

Solution 2:

You said that the problem occurred with "the Windows 2008 Server hard-drive that I'd swapped out".

So the conclusion is that the clock problem has nothing to do with the SSD and everything to do with the motherboard, just as OCZ Support said. Besides a loused-up clock circuit, there is only the battery left (except if you are overclocking - then everything is possible).

See for example the thread Problem with Clock in Win 8 Pro where it took some doing to convince the poster to change his CMOS battery, but finally this was the right solution.

Googling for "windows 8 clock problem" finds that Windows 8 can have heaps of funny problems with the clock. This might be because it is much more sensitive to motherboard clock problems, although it could of course also be some weird software glitch.

My advice is therefore to change the CMOS battery as well as the Internet time-server, and also to keep on patching Windows 8 (including optional updates). If necessary, use another Windows version until Windows 8 SP1 comes out (but nobody guarantees that this will fix the problem on your computer model).

Solution 3:

I believe you have a CMOS battery with low voltage like harrymc points out, I've seen this behavior of loosing time before. Do a simple test, turn your PC on and let it sit on the BIOS screen where the time shows up. Let it be for hours and see if time gets screwed up. At this level there is no OS involvement so you can rule out software. It wouldn't hurt to check if your BIOS has an update.