Can you use "same" without "the"?
I've been racking my brain trying to think of a grammatically correct sentence that uses same without the earlier in the same (see!) phrase.
It is the same
It is the very same
I have 10 things all the same
I have 10 of the same things
The same boy as last time did it again
The boy did the same thing as last time
I am discounting same-day dry cleaning and any similar phrases that might crop up because using a hyphen is acceptable which suggests it's an atomic phrase and it sounds awkward if inverted:
They have a same-day dry cleaning service.
Their dry cleaning service is same-day. - Sounds odd but might be acceptable in some situations
Their dry cleaning service is done on the same day. - Sounds better
So I don't think it's possible when same is used by itself. Can someone either explain why same must always have the before it or provide a grammatically correct counter-example?
Solution 1:
The word same is usually used with the definite article. However, it can be used with any central determiner which marks the noun phrase as definite:
- these same ideas
- those very same people
- my same friend
- whose same idea
- Ben's same problems
There are also some stock phrases which don't use the definite article. For example the two word reply:
- Same difference.
There are also a few examples of same being used with an indefinite article in published books. Here's a quote from a philosophy book:
- Striking as well is that a same idea is several times repeated, but each time the wording shows up to be somewhat different.
We can even find examples of same with the negative determiner no:
- The chairman and vice-chairman would serve a term of 1 year, with no renewal of term for the chairman (either as chairman or vice-chairman) and the further stipulation that no same person may serve as the vice-chairman for a consecutive period of more than two years.
Notice that using "same" with these determiners and the definite article leads to ungrammatical results:
- the these same ideas
- those the very same people
- my the same friend
- the whose same idea
- Ben's the same problems
- a the same idea
- the no same person
This is because English does not allow two so-called central determiners for the same noun.
Solution 2:
Same is occasionally used in a technical sense to mean "the aforementioned person/thing." For example:
We are responsible for the house and any costs of same.
In most typical occasions, however, that would not be considered proper syntax.