Etymology of "flounder"

The Online Etymology Dictionary reads:

flounder (v.) 1590s, perhaps an alteration of founder (q.v.), influenced by Dutch flodderen "to flop about," or native verbs in fl- expressing clumsy motion.

Thus, the origin of flounder is not certain. However, after reading that dictionary entry, I wonder if flounder can be simply an embellishment of founder, where the sound unit fl might be used in order to carry a subliminal meaning of heavy movement, according to J. R. Firth's theory.

Can this origin be realistically considered?


Solution 1:

In the following extract The word Word Detective explains why the two term fonder and flounder are often confused and comments on their possible origin. It appears that the noun "flounder" (a fish) and the verb flondev are not etymologically related , but the verb "flounder" is most likely an alteration of to fonder, derived from the assonance with other verbs like "blunder":

  • The matter of “founder” versus “flounder” is exactly the sort of question my parents delighted in exploring, and in their Harper Dictionary of Contemporary Usage (1985), they delivered a concise verdict: “These two verbs are often confused and consequently misused. ‘Flounder’ means to ‘thrash about,’ as would an animal mired in mud. ‘Founder’ means to ‘fail completely, collapse or sink.’…”

The origin of "founder" is from French "fondrer":

  • To begin at the beginning, the verb “to founder” means, in its basic sense, “to sink completely, collapse,” or, in an extended sense, “to fail utterly.” The source of “founder” was the Old French “fondrer,” meaning “submerge, send to the bottom,” and its ultimate root is the Latin “fundus,” meaning “bottom” (which also gave us the words “foundation,” “found” and “fundamental,” among others).

while the verb "flounder" probably is an alteration of "fonder" due to its assonance with other verbs:

  • “Flounder” as a verb is an odd bird. (The noun “flounder,” a kind of flat fish, is etymologically unrelated to the verb “to flounder”).

  • The verb “to flounder” is almost certainly an alteration of “to founder,” influenced by other verbs, such as “blunder,” depicting clumsy or frantic motion. When “flounder” first appeared in the 16th century, it meant “to stumble,” and later “to struggle clumsily.” A bit later on, it came to mean “to struggle along with great difficulty.”

But confusion between the two term persists:

  • The confusion between “founder” and “flounder” arises when the extended figurative uses of the words converge. If clueless Jim has been promoted to sales manager and can’t handle the job, he may well “flounder” (struggle along) for a few months before he “founders” (fails) completely. In the example you gave, I would tend to think that “flounder” was actually the proper word, but without knowing the exact wording, it’s hard to be certain.

Solution 2:

Well, since the OED says it's of obscure etymology, and may certainly have some sound symbolism, let's take a look at the FL- Assonance.

There are three distinct (but overlapping) semantic characteristics:

  1. 46 words -- 2-Dimensional Non-Extended
  2. 21 words -- Inadequate
  3. 31 words -- (Repeated) Small Motions

And our friend flounder is spang in the middle of the Venn diagram, since it is

  • a noun representing a fish principally known for being flat,
    and which flops around, as all fish do in air

as well as

  • a verb meaning 'to perform repeated small inadequate motions'
    leading to an inadequate performance.

Solution 3:

Even OED says flounder is of obscure etymology, so I don't think we're going to resolve anything here.

But here's the full text of what they say...

Perhaps an onomatopoeic blending of the sound and sense of various earlier words; compare flounder v. (Old French fondrer), blunder n., and the many verbs with initial fl- expressing impetuous and clumsy movements. Wedgwood and Skeat compare Dutch flodderen, to flounder in mire, to flop about: see the dialectal flodder v., which may have affected the development of the present word.

The above-mentioned "initial fl-" includes verbs such as flop, flail, flip, float, flex, flood, flit, flight, flub, etc. It's easy to see how people might often choose flounder over the relatively uncommon founder in many contexts - especially if they weren't particularly familiar with either word in the first place.

Solution 4:

An interesting sidenote: A Dictionary of the English Language, by Samuel Johnson (1785 edition found on archive.org), gives these interesting definitions:

Flounder. [flynder, Danish; fluke, Scottish.] The name of a small flat fish. Like the flounder, out of the frying-pan into the fire.

Flounders will both thrive and breed in any pond.

Not so sure, though, about "fluke", I could have misread it.

To Flounder. [from flounce.] To struggle with violent and irregular motions: as a horse in the mire.

Down goes at once the horseman and the horse; That courser stumbles on the fallen steed, And floundring throws the rider o'er his head

And, according to Mr. Johnson, flounce means:

Anything sewed to the garment, and hanging loose, so as to swell and shake.

You can find Johnson's definition on archive.org

I hope it helps.